{"id":3779,"date":"2024-02-15T02:30:10","date_gmt":"2024-02-15T02:30:10","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/camcab.co.uk\/trouble-travelling-to-thamesmead-4\/"},"modified":"2024-02-15T02:30:10","modified_gmt":"2024-02-15T02:30:10","slug":"trouble-travelling-to-thamesmead-4","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/camcab.co.uk\/trouble-travelling-to-thamesmead-4\/","title":{"rendered":"Trouble Travelling To Thamesmead (4)"},"content":{"rendered":"

\u00a0For The Record<\/span><\/p>\n

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Always fearless, and always desirous of helping his world-wide following understand the complexities of the bus and rail service in the UK, fbb has decided to provide his readership with a full list of the current bus routes serving all or part of Thamesmead.<\/div>\n
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Approaches via the West<\/span><\/div>\n
Broadwaters\u00a0<\/div>\n
Hill View\u00a0 (route 380 with roads unnamed on the Harris map)<\/div>\n
Belmarsh<\/div>\n
Nathan Way<\/div>\n
Eynsham Drive<\/div>\n
Abbey Wood Estate<\/div>\n
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Approaches via the South & East<\/span><\/div>\n
Abbey Wood<\/div>\n
Abbey Road<\/div>\n
Yarnton Way<\/div>\n
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Central Thamesmead\n
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Central Way Morrisons (bottom left)<\/p><\/div>\n

Town Centre (top centre)<\/div>\n
Bentham Road (lower right)<\/div>\n
Crossway\u00a0is the big loop<\/div>\n
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So, fbb, take a deep breath and do your elderly best. Remember, a list in this form is not published by TfL; indeed is not published by anybody!<\/div>\n
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177<\/span><\/div>\n
Peckhan, Greenwich, Woolwich. Plumstead, Eynsham Drive<\/span>, Crossway<\/span>, Town Centre<\/span>.<\/div>\n
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180<\/span><\/div>\n
North Greenwich, Greenwich, Woolwich, Plumstead, Abbey Wood,<\/span> Yarnton Way<\/span>, Erith<\/div>\n
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229<\/span><\/div>\n
Q M Hospital, Sidcup, Bexleyheath, Erith, Abbey Road, Abbey Wood, Crossway<\/span>, Town Centre<\/span><\/div>\n
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244<\/span><\/div>\n
Q E Hospital, Woolwich, Plumstead, Broadwaters, Belmarsh,<\/span> Central Way Morrisons,\u00a0 Bentham Road<\/span>, Abbey Wood.<\/span><\/div>\n

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301<\/span><\/div>\n
Woolwich, Plumstead, Nathan Way<\/span>, Central Way Morrisons, Bentham Road<\/span>, Abbey Wood<\/span>, Bexleyheath.<\/div>\n
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380<\/span><\/div>\n
Lewisham, Woolwich, Plumstead, Broadwaters, Hill View, Belmarsh<\/span>.<\/div>\n
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401<\/span><\/div>\n
Bexleyheath, Belvedere, Yarnton Way, Crossway,<\/span> Town Centre<\/span>,\u00a0<\/div>\n
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469<\/span><\/div>\n
Q E Hospital, Woolwich, Plumstead, Eynsham Drive Abbey Wood Estate, Abbey Wood<\/span>, Belvedere, Erith<\/div>\n
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472<\/span><\/div>\n
North Greenwich, Greenwich, Woolwich, Plumstead, Belmarsh <\/span>Central Way Morrisons, Bentham Road, Crossway,<\/span> Town Centre<\/span>.<\/div>\n
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B11<\/span><\/div>\n
Bexleyheath, Yarnton Way, Abbey Wood<\/span>,\u00a0<\/div>\n
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N1<\/span><\/div>\n
Tottenham Court Road, Waterloo, Bricklayers Arms, Surrey Quays, Greenwich, Woolwich, Plumstead, Abbey Wood, Crossway<\/span>, Bentham Road<\/span>.<\/div>\n
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After a few tranquilisers and a lie down in a darkened room, fbb will continue this blog.\n
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New : New : New<\/span><\/div>\n
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And so we move to a brand new Thamesmead service due to arrive very soon. It will be a limited stop express route and will be additional to any of the above. TfL have announced that parallel routes will not be changing.<\/p><\/div>\n

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Sadly, you might think, it will not be running to central London! Once upon a time there was an express 177.\n
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Mike Harris even offered a picture of a very un-London livery …<\/p>\n

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… and Ian Armstrong provides a sample timetable.<\/p>\n

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It provided just four Monday to Friday peak hour, peak flow journeys taking one hour and twenty minutes.<\/p><\/div>\n

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Hmmm. It lasted barely 5 years. Then, as now, the 177 ran from Peckham to Thamesmead.<\/div>\n
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Anyway, we all know that the incomplete Superloop is a genuine attempt by Mayor Khan to improve the omnibological lot of those living in the suburbs.\u00a0<\/div>\n
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Of course it isn’t a vanity project designed more for election year thank for a real purpose. No really, it isn’t.<\/div>\n
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Readers may remember that at its eastern flank Superloop comes to s shuddering halt at North woolwich with no route across the Thames except the foot tunnel or free ferry.\n
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From Woolwich you had to get to Bexleyheath to restart the gyration in the SL3. Despite the “circular” diagram, Bexleyheath would require an extra bus ride from Woolwich<\/div>\n
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But this well planned and useful public transport project (?) has undergone a late change. When it starts, the SL3 will now continue its limited stop trajectory to arrive at Thamesmead! It will still be a significant non Superloop ride from Woolwich – and slower overall.\n
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There was a period of “consultation” when TfL provided a plethora of well designed maps. First there was the route itself …<\/p>\n

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… which runs as you would expect.<\/p>\n

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It is not clear from the map above …<\/p>\n

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… where, exactly, its terminus will be, but it does travel along Carlyle Road, straight down the middle and omitting the unusual Thamesmead loop.\u00a0<\/p><\/div>\n

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It uses a currently unserved bit of road. Those who collect “new” bits of road served by buses should take note and ready themselves to be on the first departure from Thamesmead.<\/div>\n
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No. fbb won’t!<\/div>\n
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Neither is it entirely clear where the limited stops will be.<\/div>\n
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Also in the “consultation” (which is now ended) we have a wondrous cartographic creation, showing every possible route that you might wish to change onto or fromto when using the SL3.\n
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Indeed?<\/p><\/div>\n

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The bit at Thamesmead might be of use …\n
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… and it does confirm that the new SL3 will terminate in Thamesmead “Town Centre” – which really isn’t.<\/p><\/div>\n

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fbb, a bit of an ignoramus in these parts of London and Kent, feels that a series of smaller maps for each main interchange point would have been easier to understand and thus more useful.<\/div>\n
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The timetable (not yet published) will offer a 12 minute frequency daytime Mon to Fri and every 15 minutes evenings and Sundays, The service “duplicates” existing routes from Bromley to Bexleyheath and from Bexleyheath to Thamesmead.<\/div>\n
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If you are travelling the non-Loop anti-clockwise, do bear in mind that the entrance to the foot tunnel in Woolwich …\n
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… is in Glass Yard …<\/p>\n

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… hidden between the back door of the Leisure Centre (where they keep the bins?) and the river.<\/p>\n

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It is not very inviting!<\/p><\/div>\n

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New : New : New : Two<\/span><\/div>\n
The packet duly arrived and as Sam Turner (of Sam’s Trains videos fame) tends to say – very often – and as fbb expostulated,<\/div>\n
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“I’m very excited!<\/span>”\n
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A full unboxing will follow in tomorrow’s blog.<\/div>\n
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A Fight To The Death?<\/span><\/div>\n
Mr Tubbles (left) and regular intruder Big Ginge (right) in venomous aggressive mode by the back door of fbb mansions.\n
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After the above tooth and claw confrontation (NOT), Mr Tubbles left the building followed soon by Big Ginge, disappointed that no catering service was available.<\/p><\/div>\n

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\u00a0Next Cardiff Snippet blog : Friday 17th Feb\u00a0<\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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